Subject	Yeah, look at all the junk aftermarket parts.
Posted by	Marshall on November 24, 2004 at 4:36 PM
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In Reply To	If the same engineers built every engine so it operated posted by DAYTONAZ on November 24, 2004 at 04:12 PM
Message	In the Honda world especially, half of those parts do nothing. Those cars buzz around town slower than when they were stock. Usually the main reasons for not having higher output parts are cost and emissions. It wouldn't have been more expensive or hard at all for Nissan to cast the heads without that boss.
Follow Ups	Even my 3-year old son knows proper plug selection. >> - Ash's Z 12:48:22 11/24/04 cool (n/m) - PiranhaTT(GO STEELERS!!!) 12:56:17 11/24/04 intersting.. i dint kno about the plug difference (n/m) - 90BlkZ18 12:59:02 11/24/04 Thats one bad ass kid (n/m) - mxsprocket1 13:00:58 11/24/04 Aight (n/m) - DubsZ 13:02:24 11/24/04 good first pic showing the differences. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 13:22:58 11/24/04 Ash, speaking spark timing, the more central the - AzHeat 13:33:30 11/24/04 Actually that theory is in proven use in aviation. - DAYTONAZ 13:44:51 11/24/04 I had a 81 Datsun 200SX that had 2 spark plugs per - AzHeat 14:08:27 11/24/04 Bombardier uses dual plugs in there DS650 quad, for emission - Tissan© 14:49:14 11/24/04 last time i checked... - genic 14:53:02 11/24/04 They're both reciprocating engines, how's that? (n/m) - DAYTONAZ 15:56:07 11/24/04 I think that's mostly for redundancy - Marshall 14:57:05 11/24/04 bet that if the plugs were beside eachother rather then - Borg79(ON) 17:01:29 11/24/04 So by that rationale it has potential to make more power - Ash's Z 23:35:41 11/24/04 Chamber design, spark plug placement affect how - AzHeat 13:49:21 11/25/04 I really dont know the answer to that. - Ash's Z 15:44:02 11/25/04 From your post yesterday it does make a didifference - DAYTONAZ 13:39:41 11/24/04 S whats the point of Nissan putting in a TT plug? - Blu Z 13:40:39 11/24/04 Clearly you have no idea what stock heads look like. - Kenny 13:46:55 11/24/04 search won't find that. - Marshall 14:10:52 11/24/04 this is just one of the examples as to why i asked if - genic 14:22:26 11/24/04 That's what I thought, and I'm not going against Ash... - Blu Z 14:42:49 11/24/04 im allllll for new ideas and trying them - genic 14:49:06 11/24/04 Exactly. (n/m) - Blu Z 15:46:59 11/24/04 It was a theory I was expressing and there was no claims - Ash's Z 18:00:38 11/24/04 just going by what you stated in your post - genic 18:24:40 11/24/04 I think it was more a matter of interpretation. (n/m) - Ash's Z 18:43:38 11/24/04 See my post...I think your interpretation was skewed. (n/m) - dilly yo 23:04:03 11/24/04 You were stirring the pot. (n/m) - Greg (Dallas) 15:30:11 11/24/04 bah humbug - genic 18:25:16 11/24/04 Not arguing or anything but it has been shown on a flowbench - Ash's Z 16:50:52 11/24/04 I think the problem starts when the plug fires. - Marshall 17:20:30 11/24/04 so you have to buy $80 spark plugs? (n/m) - Halo Z 14:46:27 11/24/04 That's a good reason too. (n/m) - Blu Z 16:00:48 11/24/04 NKG plugs for the NA (shorter) have a higher list price. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 16:25:16 11/24/04 witch make NO since, hehe. (n/m) - Halo Z 17:52:33 11/24/04 ding - aliaZ 14:57:09 11/24/04 If the same engineers built every engine so it operated - DAYTONAZ 16:12:38 11/24/04 Yeah, look at all the junk aftermarket parts. - Marshall 16:36:16 11/24/04 I wasn't referencing my observation to junk aftermarket - DAYTONAZ 18:55:35 11/24/04 well hoe much more would it have cost the engineers - dilly yo 23:13:23 11/24/04 it's never cost effective to optimize performance - aliaZ 16:50:40 11/24/04 repost (n/m) - College Boy 17:16:57 11/24/04 liar!!1 (n/m) - aliaZ 00:44:50 11/25/04 I agree, and it can also be argued from the other direction - RSR 16:45:43 11/24/04 I dont have flowrates for these heads, but I know that they - Ash's Z 16:53:16 11/24/04 It's kewl, like I said, you may very well be right. (n/m) - RSR 20:51:08 11/24/04 I would think the reason the set the plug lower in - Spddracer 18:28:48 11/24/04 I look forward to the proof you'll provide. - Marshall 13:47:03 11/24/04 Think: If it costs a dime more, don't do it. - dpjax 14:00:59 11/24/04 Perhaps you should read his post again. - Kenny 14:37:24 11/24/04 Think: If it costs a dime more, don't do it. - dpjax 14:42:49 11/24/04 Umm... we heard that one already. (n/m) - Snoguitar 14:47:06 11/24/04 A technical challenge. :) Well, I didn't mean for my post - Ash's Z 17:52:14 11/24/04 I think you have a sound theory, you'll just have to - DAYTONAZ 19:15:30 11/24/04 Also, don't forget to index the plugs. (n/m) - DAYTONAZ 19:18:23 11/24/04 a little better than the drimal job i did 32 MONTHS ago. (n/m) - Halo Z 14:08:08 11/24/04 Dremel* (n/m) - Blu Z 14:44:15 11/24/04 HAHA, Ash your shameless, you know noone can argue with - silverZman 14:40:55 11/24/04 until this has been PROVEN on the VG heads - genic 14:55:11 11/24/04 I don't know whether this alteration is right or wrong for - dilly yo 15:29:04 11/24/04 I have a theory on this one - Marshall 16:43:14 11/24/04 well I think peoplehave to be responsible for their own - dilly yo 22:58:24 11/24/04 Re: Even my 3-year old son knows proper plug selection. >> - hades 15:40:46 11/24/04 Here is a NA sized plug in a TT head: - YugoBernie (NoVA) 16:28:21 11/24/04 iwas looking for that pic. i missed it. - Halo Z 17:56:10 11/24/04 FWIW, I also removed my spark plug boss - aliaZ 16:45:13 11/24/04 You can also run extended tip copper plugs . (n/m) - AzHeat 17:07:29 11/24/04 you should dyno with both plug types - maglito 17:09:18 11/24/04 I plan on it eventually (n/m) - aliaZ 00:46:45 11/25/04 dyno and egt numbers should be compared for running - AzHeat 17:25:22 11/24/04 After all the chaos and dumb ass posts caused by your post.. - College Boy 17:18:25 11/24/04 Old news, i posted that a long time ago and ppl flamed me - TwinTurboPoweredZ 05:29:09 11/25/04 but then again im sure he gave me the shortys cause i had - TwinTurboPoweredZ 05:57:33 11/25/04
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